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TRUSTEE COMMENTS
We have been discussing this since 2015, we are still in a process of evaluation and even if we wanted to end CCP/Health as a graduation requirement we could not do it for this coming year. Staff needs time to put metrics together, we have made it easier for students to take CCP/Health. We have implemented flexibility for students. We have fabulous teachers doing a fabulous job. I want to make sure that we take full advantage of our Cal Prep Opportunities. There is a NEW REVISION back on the table...
![]() | We made some changes to the Board Policy (Redlined copies are here at the back of the room and have been passed out to everyone) We sent an e-mail and passed them out here. Superintendent Vital then references the potential Brown Act Violation. Kristen Vital should know that revisions cannot be made at a Board Meeting- the agenda must be posted 72 hours PRIOR to the scheduled meeting. |
What was added at the meeting was a specific paragraph shown below in red underline:
This language offers flexibility for students without opening the flood gates to take any and all courses outside CUSD. We have talked about online platforms like Haiku which put things under CUSD control better than an off-the-shelf platform. I would love to see us develop our own online platform going forward.
Staff would need direction on that because of time and and staff requirement would be a substantial investment to make a really great interactive online class. We want to make sure it is a wise investment.
We should land on that. What I heard at the Board Workshop was that a majority of the Board wanted that kind of class- and really take advantage of Cal Prep. We should clarify that and then on the record clarify when we will have the metrics for CCP and deadlines.
The metrics (a snap shot) will be shared at the May 17, 2017 Board Workshop, and then we will come back in January 2018 with a profile of students with impacted schedules. The 3rd piece would be creating our own online CCP course. We are happy to do that if we make sure it is a wise investment.
Yes- we want to take advantage of our expert CCP Teachers.
Lynn stated that she has two kids and she ran Princeton review so she understands what people learn in CCP. Her children also took health online and that was not a great experience. They would have benefited from a real health class. I know many many districts have come here to visit to see what we are doing with CCCP. They come here so that they can capture what we are doing because nothing replaces a great CCP Teacher in the classroom. That is not always the case, and the on-line program is not that great. Because CUSD does not have the metrics; we cannot determine at this time, whether or not CCP should be a graduation requirement or not. We need first to determine if we meet the metrics. It is to early to eliminate CCP as a graduation requirement. We need to make decisions baed on data.
Even if we decided today to get rid of CCP we could not get rid of it for this coming year. We can talk about it, but we can't actually do it. Even if we decided today to get rid of CCP as a requirement, not as an elective, because kids really need that class. It would put the advisor in the position of saying a student had to take the class.
I cannot be in support of taking CCP off as a graduation requirement. Voting on this tonight takes this off as a graduation requirement.
It does not which is why I was wondering why we are tallking about this?
What we are talking about is the guidance you gave us at the last workshop.
Step 1: Minor language changes in the policy.
Step 2: The Cal Prep Piece - greater flexibility
Step 3: It was voiced that you still wanted to have a conversation about CCP and health because we did not present the metrics. That was the agreement we made. We need to make sure that we close the loop on that. We want to set real explicit deadlines so that we can bring back specific metrics on CCP by specific deadlines so that you can decide if it is a graduation requirement or an elective in time to make a decision for change for the following year. You going to see a snapshot for next week and then in January you will see full data.
We have 3 criteria that we will be sharing with the Board at the net workshop.
1) Interim Common Assessments
2) Student Survey of current CCP students
3) Senior Survey 2017 Graduates
The Policy that staff is asking us to adopt tonight does NOT eliminate CCP, it does add flexibility.
This is a first reading anyway.
It does say Action?
We often put "Action" on First Readings to give the Board flexibility to take action just in case. You may take action, but we are not expecting you to.
I think the text of this probably signaled something to the Public that maybe was not intentional. The Item states that there will be a discussion on the reconsideration of CCP and Health as a high school graduation requirement.
Staff was giving Trustees another opportunity to discuss this. Where we have to do better is defining these metrics and then having a timeline where we allows the Board to make a determination for the following year. In January 2018 staff will be making a presentation to the board of the data and then Trustees can decide to keep it as a graduation requirement or not.
The question is did the CCP Teachers help share in what the metrics should be? Were they involved at all?
Dr. Polly Napotmus was the Administrator leading the CCP/Health committee.
Two things- if the Board determines that this should be an elective and not a requirement, it will be the end of the class- just so you understand that. Be careful with that equity piece - there are kids that really need this and how do you call them out - watch equity.
Dr. Holiday I would like to go back. The last time we met, I thought the meetings with CCP had ended so I want to go back and make sure that CCP teachers have been engaged at all in these metrics? I thought that these CCP meetings were done and now I want to make sure that the CCP teachers were engaged. If teachers were not engaged, we need to go back and see how we plan to do that.
One of the major discussions of the Principal meetings was to discuss metrics that could be put into place to determine the efficacy of the course itself. The only true way to measure that was to do long term longitudinal study. We knew that was not feasible given direction of the Board. The other metrics we landed on were the CIA which measures the content, bit not the effect. So we decided to embed questions regarding all classes students were taking.
So did we engage the CCP teachers in defining the metrics?
No
So we need to go back and engage teachers. I know you are trying to present information around a specific deadline, but we need to go back and engage them. We need to complete this in the first semester.
Right now we are basing this information on a lot of ancedotal information like Rajj coming tonight to share his perspective.
We will have surveys from every 9th grader and every 12th grader about what kids think about this course and still be able to present data by January.
Regarding Transfer students, I would like to exempt migrant students and military students.
There is a lot of stuff we don't teach that we should be adding like debate , micro-soft office etc.
The most common summer school classes are CCP/Health and that is probably not going to change. They will keep doing that. We will not be able to change that. Everything is not the same for all kids. We need to recognize this.
Trustee Jones spoke with the Tesoro WASC team regarding A-G completion rates. Tesoro has the lowest A-G completion rate in the district.
Trustee Jones stated that almost every student in Tesoro goes to college - a 4-year college because it is a very affluent school in our District. They found that the vast majority of those students that did not complete their A-G were going to a private school, or an out of state school. We also have a lot of LDS students who will go to BYU and they do not require A-G.
Fact Check: Does BYU have A-G requirements? Yes they do. They may make an exception for LDS students but they do list A-G as recommended course requirements. Source: https://admissions.byu.edu/acc...![]()
We need to recognize that some kids are not completing their A-G because they are going to Stanford like RAZ here.
Fact Check: Razz is going to go to Harvard - not Stanford.
A quote from Trustee Jones: "The State wants to make everyone A-G ... well that is their problem."
Harvard also has A-G Course Requirements:
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Trustee Jones stated that one size does not fit all - we need to offer more classes like Micro-soft office, personal finance etc.
Students that want to go to a 4-year college need to complete A-G courses in High School (PERIOD).
TRUSTEES JONES AND MC NICHOLAS BOTH THINK THAT PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND OUT OF STATE SCHOOLS AND SCHOOLS THAT CATER TO LDS STUDENTS DO NOT HAVE A-G COURSE REQUIREMENTS.
Why did Superintendent Vital remain silent and not correct this false belief? She works for the Board and should never allow them to assume incorrect information?
We have increased our graduation rate. Is there a direct correlation between CCP and the increase in our graduation rate.
NOTE: CUSD's graduation rate increased because they lowered their pass rate from a "C" to a "D". Now more students can graduate.
Cal Poly requires students (Juniors/Seniors) take a CCP like course.
Amazing Article in Course Magazine. A study Hack that lifts "B+" students to "A" students. This would be great for CCP
Finally- I don't think we should work on our own online program until Trustees give the thumbs up.
If you ask most parents what they want expect of our graduating seniors most would say they want their kids to go to college. While a broad curriculum is fun and interesting, kids need to take classes that get them into college.
I do not think it is good enough for a District to simply get a kid into college. The National metric is did they graduate college. 40% of students who currently enter Cal State are 3-4 classes under prepared. They do not even take college level work until sophomore year and most of them actually drop out. That is the reality of most of the students in the State of California. College and Career Planning may be nice- but if you need data the Clearing House has data on every class taken anywhere.
Our goal should not be to get kids into college, we should prepare them to finish college. If students are so underprepared that they get into college and drop out then we haven't done our job. Our promise to parents is that education will get their kids to a better financial place than they currently are. They will be socioeconomically better off.
A couple of items not related to CCP:
The section about secondary high school credits page 5 of 9 does this include Cal Prep and we answered that by adding the new paragraph.
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on page 6 why did we add "district does not offer the course". I am thinking about all the classes students currently take at Halstrom or University of Michigan and any place else.
The goal is to provide students with flexibility, but to ensure that the flexibility is through our online courses rather than a Halstrom or a Michigan. This is a bit of a grey area.
The wording doesn't say Cal Prep first. It just says added flexibility. How will this effect all these other kids.
That is a good question. Say a parents wants to take Spanish I at Halstrom - can they or not under this policy?
No because CUSD offers that.
So either we allow this in out policy or we don't. We need to clarify the policy. We give the diploma so we want them to take the course from us. But we also want to add flexibility for students with impacted schedules.
I don't think we ever gave direction to to staff regarding online classes at other institutions.
I do not want to create any policy that encourages parents or students to cut corners. For example- senior year taking 5 classes. My neighbors son said he was taking classes at Saddleback - but he was coming home everyday after 3rd period. When we checked up he was not taking classes at Saddleback.
We were talking about maximum flexibility so students can get the classes they need. We have hundreds of students that are co-enrolled in Junior Colleges- We need to figure out how to accept that credit.
That is actually on here under number "C"
So we will figure out how to word the policy so that we encourage students to take the class with us; and then if you can't, we don't want to stand in their way.
Summarize to make sure I am clear:
Add an option to address Military and Migrant - transfers
Include CCP Teachers in Metrics going forward for first semester to present that data in January 2018
Include Clearing House Data to see if our students are graduating from college and related to CCP
Do not build online program yet - wait for the data
Build the language for classes the district does not offer.
Current metrics for CCP are coming back next meeting and in June.
CONCLUSION
It should be very troubling to everyone that the Federal Government under O'Bama and the current California Government made a unilateral decision to use our Public Education System to collect and compile the personally identifiable information of every student enrolled in public school.
Our Government should not be using the Public Education system to collect personally identifiable information on students WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT.
The basic lack of knowledge on the part of Trustees regarding a-g course requirements and who are making curriculum decisions is troubling. Superintendent made no effort to correct these mis-statements which is also troubling.
The mis-use of student data for profit is grounds for firing both Superintendent Kristan Vital and Dr. Susan Holiday who is in the position of Associate Superintendent of Education Services for cause.
Trustees, who are elected to represent the interests of students and taxpayers have breached their fiduciary duty to students and taxpayers and every sitting member on this Board should be recalled for allowing CUSD to data mine students for profit.
I hope that our local elected leaders will call for an audit of CUSD; the firing of Superintendent Vital and Dr. Susan Holiday for cause, and the recall of all sitting Board of Trustee members.
It is not OK to build a dossier on every public school student in CUSD so that staff can personally profit.
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It is time for our locally elected leaders to put a stop to this CRIMINAL PRACTICE both at the Federal level and the State level.
Federal Data Mining working with States under Obama
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California -Rackeetering - Pay to Play - use of one time grants to promote political agendas.
One Example of Pay to Play
Having Unions who benefitted greatly from Professional Development elect our Board of Trustees
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