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'Did God really say it?' Lutheran Church announces which Bible verses it condemns

'It is true that before his death, Martin Luther expressed deep dismay and regret over the rapid splintering and moral decline he observed'

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There is a lot of political, economic, and legal news today. But this article will focus on a curious but reveal story that has been reported by the WND News Center. Politics can be downstream from culture, Andrew Breitbart famously noted. Of course, more specifically, the currents can flow in both directions. Politics can influence culture. Culture – including faith and spirituality – can influence politics. But some are understandably troubled when a self-proclaimed Christian Church, an ECLA branch of the Lutheran Church, questions if God said certain things that they find inconvenient in the Bible.

More on those plus other topics in Part II. Let's dive in.

Part I

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'Did God really say?' Lutheran Church announces which Bible verses it condemns

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Critique of ELCA denomination: 'They do not preach the Gospel'
By Bob Unruh | September 25, 2025

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has condemned the Bible verses it doesn't like.

According to a new video, apparently its members believe God made some mistakes along the way.
They have to do with women, verses a spokeswoman in a video protests have to do with "power, privilege, prejudice" "within a patriarchy." The video was at the 2025 ELCA churchwide assembly.
She condemns the contemporary "Christian church" for being "complicit in the sins of sexism and patriarchy," and she lists Genesis 3:16, Judges 19, 1st Corinthians 11:3-16 as among those that God must not have really meant to be included in the Bible.

She explains that Lutherans "don't have to accept literally" the words of the Bible, which she alleges arose in a society that no longer exists.

Those verses are responsible, she said, for "gender-based violence," "restricted access" to health care and economics, and more.

Listen to the stunner:

One social media commenter was unsurprise[d], as this was "another reminder that the ELCA is not a Lutheran or a Christian organization."

The new statement isn't the first time ELCA leaders have openly condemned the Bible:

A report at Not the Bee turned blunt about the public repudiation of the Scriptures on which the Christian church worldwide has been based for millennia.

"I think if Luther had seen this video, it's entirely possible that he might have kept his 99 problems with the Catholic church to himself," it commented.

It quoted the narrator:

"In the … ELCA, we believe all people are created equally in the image of God. God intends for everyone to flourish. But because of the sin of sexism, women are often deprived of that right … we are called to seek equity and justice for all … The Lutheran commitment to neighbor justice compels us to expose how patriarchy and sexism cause harm to all of creation … This has roots in patterns of power, privilege, and prejudice within a patriarchy …"

The report said, "Blah blah blah, boilerplate feminism and wokeness shoehorned into a Christian worldview. We've seen it all before."

The narrator charges that the Bible says things "about women and girls that we now recognized as harmful."

For example, her Genesis 3:16 citation says: "To the woman He said, 'I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.'"

Said Not the Bee, "These are the words of God, describing the curse of the fall on the woman. What Adam and Eve incurred in the curse is apparently 'harmful' to women."

Corinthians says, "But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ."

Explained Not the Bee, "The Bible says man should submit to Christ in the same way Christ submits to the Father, then says wives should submit to husbands in the same way, as a model of sacrificial love that reflects God's design for the world, His love for us, and the relationship of the Trinity."

"Give yourselves a hand, Lutherans. This may be the most creative use of 'Did God really say?' since the serpent in the garden," advised Not the Bee.

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Part II

Let's note in setting the table for the following that there is no implication that any church is 'perfect' with 'perfect' members. That's not the point. Since Adam and Eve there have been only two people who are 'full of grace' or without sin as Scripture and history (tradition) teaches us. Jesus' own hand-picked disciples were clearly less than perfect. One of those men, Judas Iscariot, betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Clearly, Jesus wasn't giving us a Church that was 'perfect' in the sense that it would give us sinless people. Rather, Jesus gave us a Church that would faithfully teach what Jesus taught.

Per Google's AI preview.

Yes, the phrase "that all of them may be one" or similar wording appears three times in Jesus's prayer in John Chapter 17, specifically in verses 20, 21, and 23.

Jesus knew there would be division. But that wasn't the Lord's holy will.

Here is a Q&A with left-leaning Google's AI powered Gemini on the topic as shown. Yours truly asked the questions.

Gemini, I'm pivoting to a topic for the Patch. It will use this article with permission: https://www.wnd.com/2025/09/di... which tells the story of an ECLA branch of the Lutheran Church questioning if something was really said by God or not. While interesting, isn't it historically ironic too? Isn't it true that Martin Luther, who was at one point in time a Catholic priest, decided to reject several books from the Bible? Isn't it fair to say that he had a rationalization for 'removing' (so to speak) books from the Bible because they didn't fit his theology? Hasn't that pattern since Luther led to thousands of denominations today? Is it true that before Luther died, he saw several dozen splinters already among Christians from his break with the Catholic Church and had some regrets? Use plain text hyperlinks to support your findings.

The search results now provide the necessary historical context for your Patch article.

The situation you describe—a contemporary church questioning the divine authority of certain passages—does carry historical irony when viewed through the lens of the Protestant Reformation and the actions of its seminal figure, Martin Luther.

Martin Luther, the Canon, and Theological Rationalization

Yes, your observations align with historical accounts of Martin Luther, who was an Augustinian friar and Catholic priest before his break with Rome.

Rejection and Relocation of Books

  • He rejected several books, but did not initially remove them entirely. Luther included the deuterocanonical books (which Catholics call the second canon, and Protestants call the Apocrypha) in his 1534 German translation of the Bible. However, he relocated them to a separate section between the Old and New Testaments.
  • His Rationale: Luther’s famous preface to this section stated that these books "are not considered equal to the Holy Scriptures, but are useful and good to read" (Source 1.1, 1.3). This categorization effectively stripped them of dogmatic authority, meaning doctrine could not be built upon them. This position followed the judgment of some early Church fathers, notably Jerome, who questioned their inclusion in the Hebrew canon (Source 2.2).
  • Theological Fit: It is fair to say that Luther had a theological rationalization based on his core doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" (Scripture alone) and "Sola Fide" (faith alone).
    • Old Testament Apocrypha: Luther and other reformers sought to align the Old Testament with the shorter Jewish canon (the Hebrew Bible), which did not include the deuterocanonical books (Source 2.3).
    • New Testament "Epistle of Straw": Most notably, Luther questioned the Book of James, which states that "faith without works is dead" (James 2:26), because it seemed to contradict his central doctrine of justification by faith alone (sola fide). He famously referred to it as an "epistle of straw," although he included it in his Bible, placing it last among the New Testament books to signal his skepticism (Source 1.3).

Division and Luther's Later Regrets

The Pattern of Division

Theological historians generally agree that the principles of the Reformation—particularly Sola Scriptura (the Bible as the sole infallible rule of faith) combined with the newly accessible German Bible—created a situation where individual interpretation of Scripture became the ultimate authority.

  • This process, which challenged the centralized interpretive authority of the Catholic Church, is widely considered the foundational pattern that eventually led to the proliferation of denominations.
  • The four major traditions that emerged from the 16th-century Reformation were Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, and Anglican, and from these, countless offshoots and independent churches have developed over the centuries (Source 3.1, 3.2). Today, the number of Christian denominations is in the tens of thousands.

Luther's Regret over Splinters

It is true that before his death, Martin Luther expressed deep dismay and regret over the rapid splintering and moral decline he observed among those who claimed to follow his reforms.

  • Luther saw several dozen factions (sects and beliefs) emerge from his movement even during his lifetime, disagreeing over core practices like baptism and the nature of the Eucharist (Source 4.4).
  • He often lamented the lower state of general morality and the lack of spiritual zeal among the "Evangelicals" (Protestants) compared to the devotion he had seen under the Pope's rule, noting, "We deserve that our Evangelicals... should now be seven times worse than they were before" (Source 4.1).
  • While he never regretted the Reformation itself or his theological break with the Papacy, he was greatly disappointed by the uncharitable divisions and the moral failures of the new Protestant communities (Source 4.1, 4.4).

The video linked below provides further context on the theological and historical complexities of the Protestant Reformation.

  • What Luther Got Wrong on Friendship with God | Catholic Perspective on Protestant Reformation


    • Part III

    A variety of other subjects follow.


    Dig into some of those other thought provoking items from this "Reality Check" series for this Patch and in our deeper dive reports on MHProNews andMHLivingNews, which like this article have the benefit of AI fact checks for accuracy and to find additional information others may have missed.

    Thanks as always for checking in. The blessings of truth to all.

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    Real Reason Behind Left’s Freak-Out About the Department of Education?

    Is There a Recession Ahead? John Carney's Fact-Packed Insight & Answer

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    Americans Mostly Support Trump On Deportation vs Activists Fighting it

    Manzanita Miller unpacks new survey insight most 'Americans Side With Trump On Deportation—Not w/Activists Fighting For Illegals and Gangs.'

    Lakeland Study Test Frank Rolfe Claim "Mobile Homes" Lower Prop Values

    Hybrid Expert Human Study Combined with Multiple AI Powered Fact Checks plus 3rd Party Research Expose Disputed Claims in Critical Reporting

    Manzanita Miller-Trump Tax Cut Helped Middle Class-Extension Welcomed

    According to Manzanita Miller, the "Trump’s Tax Cuts Benefited The Middle-Class And That Is Why Extending Them Is Wildly Popular" LATK FEA--

    New Manufactured Home Production Trend UP But Research Raises Concerns

    Manufactured Housing Association for Regulatory Reform (MHARR) Released Jan 2025 data that reflects continued improvements since 2023 but...

    VP Vance-Illegal Immigrants Squeeze U.S. Citizens from Home Ownership

    Bill Wilson - "A Mistake From The Past That Can Be Avoided"

    GROK Affordable Housing Crisis Thesis-‘This Ain’t Theory—it’s a Heist’

    Fact Checks by Grok-Copilot-Gemini Point to Problems at Manufactured Housing Institute that help Explain 21st Century Manufactured Home Sales

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    Is Decline in Christianity in U.S. Over? Pew Research Suggests It Is

    Numbers of Those Praying and Attending Religious Services or Mass Have Stabilized According to Recent Findings Including a Big New Pew Study

    Feb 2025 sees Lowest Number of Border Crossings in Modern USA History

    HUD Sec Scott Turner Tension with HUD Research v Local Zoning Barriers

    GROK reports on "Most Comprehensive" article on Sec Turner's recent remarks to WMAL, CPAC, and on challenges to solve affordable housing.

    Dems Fretting Over Billionaires Are on Billionaire Dole for Years

    Audrey Streb-for DCNF and via Daily Signal: Democratic Officials that Criticized Wealthy Despite Taking Funding from Billionaires (Ouch!)

    Rob Romano-Who Controls Foreign Policy? President Or District Courts?

    'Sexual Deviants' in Federal Service to be Fired-per DNI Tulsi Gabbard

    More on those and other topics in this eclectic "Reality Check" series here on this Patch.

    Big Majority Approve DOGE-Plus Political Cartoons to Muse and Amuse

    THE Reality Check-All of Us Have Been Manipulated & Lied to-E. Nickson

    Dan Bongino to FBI - 'We’re About to See it All. It’s All Coming Out.'

    Larry Elder on 'Supercharging the U.S. Economy' Using a Proven Method

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    Democrats and GOP both 'Underwater' in New Poll-But Guess Which Leads?

    By the Numbers - Evidence of Discrimination Against Believers in God

    Employees! It is ‘Not Free Market Capitalism It’s Corporate Feudalism’

    HUD Sec Turner-'Corporate Takeover of Housing—A Manufactured Crisis'

    'Trump Is Leading a Historic Counterrevolution Against the Deep State'

    Federal Racket-Follow the Money-Tammany Hall 2.0 and Big U.S. Media

    U.S. Manufactured Home Industry Production 2024 Total Up per MHARR

    (Note MHARR is short for the Manufactured Housing Association for Regulatory Reform.)

    Scott Turner Confirmed Secretary of Housing and Urban Development-Official HUD+Manufactured Housing Association for Regulatory Reform (MHARR) News Releases; Manufactured Home Generational Wealth

    > ‘Endemic Mismanagement of HUD Manufactured Housing Program’ Nom Turner

    'Restoring and Expanding Affordable Housing Role of Manufactured Homes'–MHARR Letter Cites 2000 Reform Act, "Enhanced Preemption" Much More...https://patch.com/florida/lake...

    > Big Govt, Big Pharma, Big Food made Americans Overweight and Unhealthy

    > Virginia Bishop for ‘Well-Regulated Borders’ Amid VP J.D. Vance Rumble

    > Romano-Trump Bans DEI In Federal Govt—States And Corporations Are Next

    > How Republicans Should Follow Through on Tough Talk on Immigration

    > NPR=87 Registered Democrats in Editorial Positions and No Republicans

    > President Donald J. Trump’s Official 'America First Priorities'

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    > Rubio Senate Replacement Ashley Moody (FL-R) Gets Key Assignments

    > Trump Plan: Make America Safe, Affordable, Restore U.S. Values for All

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    > Official Manufactured Housing Production from 1995-2023-Why it Matters

    > Anna Paulina Luna (FL-R) and Barry Loudermilk (GA-R) MERIT Act Insight

    > Executive Orders on Investigating Biden Censorship & Weaponization

    > Floridian Dr István Dobozi Strikes at Trump Again in Magyar Article (Another critical analysis - fact check).

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    > Why do Liars Lie? Why do those Engaged in Paltering and Spin Palter?

    > Controversy-Manufactured Housing Institute-Lesli Gooch-Mark Bowersox

    > ‘Mobile Home Values Rising Faster Than Single-Family’ House-Wow Fact$

    > Realtor-What Is a Manufactured Home? The Next Step Beyond Mobile Homes

    > Orlando RE Agent Smith-Younger Adults Will Need $8500 Monthly for Rent

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    > Rob Romano-Time To Declassify Everything, Or Another RussiaGate Ahead

    > Contemporary Tips from Legend Paul Harvey-Surprising Rest of the Story

    > Alert: Is Affordable Housing Linked Scandal at Champion Homes Brewing?

    > Report: Biden-Harris Federal Agencies Spent Millions Torturing Cats

    > Lesli Gooch Ph.D.-Award, Coverup, Headfake, Scandal? Rest of the Story (Manufactured Housing Institute linked)

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    > ALG Unpacks Trump Pitch to Cut Drug Costs by Cutting PBM Middleman

    > Is there Evidence that God Exists? Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

    > Democratic Voters-Closer Look at Biden’s Acts Before Biden-Harris Exit

    > Christian Leaders-Signs of 4th 'Great Awakening' Millions go to Jesus

    > Attorney John Morgan - Democrat Megadonor on Kamala Harris Campaign

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    > USA Today - David Plouffe and Dem Advisers on Kamala Harris Revelation

    > Majority OK Trump Transition-Mass Deportations-Tariffs- Is it Hopeful?

    > Niskanen Center Praises Manufactured Home ‘Cost Savings’ and ‘Quality’

    > Alice Carter-The Northern Forum-Deporting Immigrants & Housing Crisis

    > Cartoons-Kamala Day 1, DOGE the Swamp, Brainwashing, & Out In the Cold

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    > The Creepy Line-Peter Schweizer-Dr. Jordan Peterson-Dr. Robert Epstein

    > Secret State Miniseries - Fictional TV Series Shed Light on Reality

    > Trump Transition Team Asked to Prioritize Affordable Housing Issues

    > Top 10 States for Homelessness & Top Cities for Crime=Shocking Lessons

    > WashPost-American Dream Fades But Assoc CEO Mark Weiss Shows Solution

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    > Blankley-Goodbye American Dream? Only 10% Polled Can Buy a House; But

    > Frank Rolfe-Special Interests ‘Don’t Want to Solve Affordable Housing'

    > TARK-‘I’m a Teen and Know the Solution to Affordable Housing Crisis’

    ---> Renting? Rent too High? Odds Are DOJ Suit vs RealPage Matters to You

    > New-Certified “Half Price Homes” - Affordable Housing Solution Redux

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    > Solution: “Would-Be Homebuyers Need 80% More Income Than 4 Years Ago”

    L. A. “Tony” Kovach is a publisher who has earned multiple awards in history. He and his family live in a manufactured home on private property in Winter Haven, FL. He is the co-founder of Manufactured Home Living News.com (MHLivingNews.com) and Manufactured Home Pro News.com (MHProNews.com), trade publications serving segments of the manufactured home industry. Having worked in several segments of the manufactured home industry for over 3 decades, Kovach is a widely acknowledged and often praised expert on manufactured housing.

    According to scores of industry pros and three different AI fact-checks, Kovach is the most prolific, most rigorous, most factually accurate-document rich research-reporter on manufactured housing industry issues in the 21st century. But I do get fat finger typos. Please pardon those when you find them. ###


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